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Back in August , we got ourselves a desktop pick and place machine from China (there’s a reason why we didn’t talk about this earlier, read on). We wanted to speed up our in-house production that was only equipped with a mighty tweezers. Limited by a small budget and space constraint (plus a door width of 80 cm), we went on to look for one. We knew exactly what we want and here are some of the requirements:
It is a dual-head with vision system desktop pick and place machine with push feeders from SmallSMT. So we shipped a chunk of money over the South China Sea and waited for about 3 weeks for the machine to arrive. We arranged our own shipment from China to Malaysia by sea as it was a lot cheaper and it takes only a week to arrive. Surprisingly here in Malaysia, pick and place machine is exempted from taxes. We were hoping that it could speed up our assembly process so we could concentrate more on the development work of our products. We were so excited when we first received the machine and to play around with it. After tinkering around with the machine for few weeks, we are pretty much familiar with the software and process involved. But, this is when we started to run into many issues on the machine. Here are some of the issues we came across:
After spending few months on the issues of the machine, we went back to the tweezers. We have since put the machine on sale on the EEVBlog forum and if anyone feels that they could make full use of the machine better than us, drop us a mail. We have sold the machine to a gentleman in Romania.
When we decided it was time for us to look for a second pick and place machine, we narrowed down our list to a few machine sub USD10K prices (we decided not to be fully limited by our budget). We have since tweaked our initial requirements for our machine:
After some extensive research we narrowed down our candidate list to the machine listed below. They are all desktop/benchtop machine that could go through our 80 cm door.
* flyby vision camera
** using optional electrical feeder
*** maybe over specked advertised
**** FOB destination (to Malaysia) supplied by Glichn (HWGC reseller for export market)
As we are based in Malaysia in the center of South East Asia, we are spoiled with cheap flights to China. This allows us to go on short trips lasting 2-4 days for few hundred dollar. We went to Shenzhen, China back in August and another trip to Beijing, China back in December (yes! when CoVid-19 was still not considered a worldwide threat).
A super short trip of 2 days 1 night jammed packed with machines to evaluate. The trip basically consist of 2 parts spread across 2 days:
We always made it a habit to travel light even when travelling abroad. The first thing we did after taking the subway from the Shenzhen airport to the city was checking out the exhibition due to the time limitation. That lightweight backpack made it possible to move around such a big venue. This is where we get to check out several machines that we were interested in. We knew ZhengBang and Charmhigh were going to exhibit there on top of the regular big boys like Yamaha and Juki. It was nice to actually meet the people from Wenzhou ZhengBang and checking out the ZBTP. This is one of the earliest machine we look at due to it’s size and it’s easy to use software. It was not due for release at least until the exhibition at Shenzhen NEPCON in August . The sales representative were not giving much information other than it support 38 feeders (8 more than the existing ZBTS), 4 mounting head, 4 small camera for small components and a larger higher definition camera for larger components. We were told it was going for a special pricing of USD during the exhibition. Little that we know that this newer ZBTP is a belt-driven machine unlike the ZBTS that is ball screw driven until we actually saw it in person. This left a bad first impression on how after sales and support might shape up if we were to buy one. We actually spent a lot of time on learning their machine software posted on YouTube and it is probably the easiest of the lot to use. But again the deal breaker here was how we were not informed in advance about the belt-driven system on the ZBTP and also the removal of the simple and repeatable nozzle calibration process that were employed on the older ZBTS. At the end of the exhibition, we decided that the ZBTP was not for us.
There are other similar sized companies like Charmhigh at the exhibition offering similar sized machine but before the trip, we did ask them on whether they would release any new machine or any upgrade plans on their existing benchtop machine like the CHMT560P4 which has 60 feeders capacity. The answer is pretty straight forward in which they said they are concentrating on larger machine and benchtop machine are no longer a priority. That is when we decided to skip putting any effort on checking out their machine. But their new CHM-861 flagship monster machine sure looks promising.
The regular big player was present at the exhibition like Yamaha, Juki and Autotronik just to name a few. But, their offering is beyond our budget and dimension requirements. We left the exhibition before the sun sets in a disappointing manner. But, in a way we managed to cross out one of the machine candidate out of the list. We ended the day with a warm bowl of dumpling before hitting the sack after a long day (we traveled from midnight the day before!).
Huawei Guochang (HWGC) is fairly unknown to anyone outside of China at least a few years back. Their machine are mostly sold outside of China by reseller such as Wenzhou Yingxing Technology and Beijing Glichn. This allow their machine to be easily purchased outside of China through e-commerce website such as Alibaba and Aliexpress. We first contacted Wenzhou Yingxing Technology to inquire about the HW-T4SG-50F (sold as SMT550 by them). When they know that I was going on a trip to Shenzhen, they mentioned they have a factory in Shenzhen that we can drop by to look at the SMT550 and other bigger machine like (SMT660 and SMT880 which are all rebadged machine made by Huawei Guochang). On the morning of the 2nd day of our trip, we got up early and hit the subway plus taking a DiDi for the first time in China (your Uber and Grab in China) to the factory. Upon reaching the area of the factory, we were searching for at least 15 minutes because there were no company sign board to be found. We were lucky as some friendly people working in one of the building that we entered wrongly managed to figure out which factory building we wanted to go. To our surprise when we reached the front door of the factory, we were greeted by a big HWGC signboard. That is when we get to know that we are actually visiting a HWGC mini showroom or sales office in Shenzhen!
We were greeted by representative name Mr Guo that runs the place. Instead of using the sales office just for displaying their machine, they actually run a small production house there. They have a unit of their 6 head 64 feeders machine (HW-T6SG-64F) and an 8 head 80 feeders machine (HW-T8SG-80F) cascaded in line equipped with a semi-automatic stencil printer. They were assembling a batch of ESP boards with components size down to 0.4 mm pitch and passives. As all their machine supports electrical feeders (ask for it when ordering if you need one), the larger 80 feeders machine on the left were loaded with electrical feeder to handle smaller components while the 64 feeders machine on the right were loaded with regular pneumatic feeder for larger components. We managed to observe how good the placement of components are with these machines and most components were spot on sitting on where they should and only occasionally a component or 2 in a panel sitting slightly off but the reflow process would nicely tuck them back into position for such small displacement. We are impressed because it was running at full speed (more than 10k CPH)!
Of course our trip was not about these bigger boys, unfortunately. The machine that were looking at were just released about a month or two but luckily a new unit just came in few days ago. Unfortunately, they have yet to setup the new machine. But, not all is bad news as we get to measure the dimension of the machine in real life to ensure it goes through our door (remember our 80 cm width door?). We actually like the simple design and how solid the build is.
As we were chatting with Mr Guo, we were surprised that they actually have customers in Malaysia using the machine for production. We left Shenzhen that night itself with more or less knowing which machine we will purchase. But, the dilemma was should we continue to purchase from a reseller that speaks English (somewhat) or deal directly with HWGC? Mr Guo did mentioned they are fine in both situations but we knew there would be a language barrier issue for technical support. As much as we can speak in Mandarin (mostly on how to order food LMAO), it’s a totally different ball game when it comes to technical terms. In less than 4 hours, we are back in Malaysia!
Come December , we had some conversations with Kayo and Boreytech regarding their machines. Both companies were providing us with many videos on machine software usage and real production samples. But, we found out that both machines require an external PC to operate. On top of that, support for using electrical feeder is not out of the box, they need to add them which we believe would not be a neat solution. At the same time, we started to use the Alibaba platform more often to see what other options are available in the China market. Little we know that sellers on Alibaba can actually check out on which customer has been browsing their products. This brought us to a HWGC reseller company called Beijing Glichn that were selling the HW-T4SG-50F as GP400 at a cheaper price than other resellers of the same machine. They offered to bring us on a HWGC factory tour in Beijing. Coincidentally, all three companies (HWGC, Kayo, Boreytech) are located in Beijing, China! That was when we decided that we needed to hop on the plane again.
We told remind ourselves that we need to actually try out the machine candidates with our very own PCB this time around. This proved to be a tough ask but doable. We knew how strict China custom is in bringing in stuff into China. It would definitely look weird to bring some electronics components (in reels!) into China when bulk of them are produced there. We selected our simple Mini Ultra 8 MHz PCB to test them on the machine in China. Instead of bringing our components from Malaysia, we purchase them in advance from Taobao and sent them over to the HWGC factory. We basically bought:
We reached Beijing on a cold sub zero morning that was so uncomfortable for someone that lives under the hot sun 365 days in a year. Alas, after dropping off our already light backpacks at our Airbnb, we jumped onto the subway and traveled as far as the subway line could bring us to the north of Beijing. At the last station, a sales representative name Ms Karen Peng and her colleague from Beijing Glichn picked us up to the HWGC factory. We were greeted by the engineers at the HWGC factory that were suit up with their company yellow and black windbreaker (wondering why they didn’t paint their machine in that color which would be very cool) and a stash of yet to be assembled machine frame/body.
They have prepared a machine to test out our PCB. We also noticed that all our components purchased from Taobao has arrived safely on the premise prior to our visit. The engineer took about 15 minutes to set up our PCB and did a trial run of mounting process. We managed to observe on the flow of work to use the machine. Although we brought our PCB pick and place file with us, the engineer decided to do it manually by specifying the coordinate of the components on a single PCB and multiplying them across the entire panel. It’s amazing how fast he can do it without much fuss.
We did a few runs of the pick and place process (we should have brought more copies of PCB, we ended removing the components from the double sided tape after each run!) and here’s an example of the accuracy. We can say they are mostly spot on, but the direct use of the PCB pick and place file would probably produce an even more accurate result. Again, it’s pretty much mirrored what we have seen at their Shenzhen office on the larger machines.
One important feature that we think could be useful for us in the future is the ability of the machine to use electrical feeder. They claimed their machine can pick and place components down to the size of using their electrical feeder. Here’s a sample of an 8 mm electrical feeder mounted on the machine.
After spending about more than an hour, we decided to make a move as we can see everyone is so busy doing something. It’s best to let them to continue on their work. Before we leave, they showed us around their factory. Never in our life, we saw so many pick and place machines!
We left the HWGC factory in an even more freezing condition as night falls. Everything turns dark after 5 PM which was first for us. We wanted to thank Beijing Glichn for making the tour and test possible and they are kind enough to send us back to the same subway station they picked us up earlier in the day. Before we came to Beijing, we left the option of visiting both Kayo and Boreytech factories open although we didn’t make any arrangement with those companies. But after seeing what the HW-T4SG-50F is capable of, we decided not to waste their time on a visit that would not turn into sales. Our heart has already set on the HW-T4SG-50F, suffice to say.
We spent the next 2 days doing touristy stuff like visiting the Great Wall of China and Forbidden Palace. It was an icing on the cake for the trip.
We can say that our trip was a success and we finally crossed out all the machines from the list except HW-T4SG-50F. We have decided to purchase them from Beijing Glichn as we knew language would become a barrier if any technical issues arise. The people behind both companies are also very warm and competent in what they do.
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