School me on tractor attachments..... - TractorByNet

Greetings,

So trying to learn so be patient. Most of the tractors I have used did not have quick attach buckets until recently. I was at an auction recently and there was a whole bunch of quick attachments for tractors. Most buckets and forks made by Kivel and the grapples were titan (Cheap chinese?). Buckets, forks, grapples etc. of all sizes were auctioned off. I understand I would need a third function valve to operate the grapples and a small tractor should not have a 72" bucket. Are all these attachment hook ups basically the same for all tractors? I would hate to buy something and find out that it does not fit. I have Kioti tractors (DK45 RX)at my work a Kubota LX at my dads place and a Yanmar LX590 at my father in laws.

Thanks for any help
Sean Most of the newer tractors have SSQA, except JD tractors which have their own hook up (yet you can get a SSQA for most of them also). Here is an article explaining some of the differences Skid Steer Quick Attach Vs. JDQA - Tractor Time With Tim

If the implement is SSQA it should work with your SSQA. The issue becomes the weight of the implement. You can end up using a large percentage of your lifting capacity for the attachment and not have much left for a load. Yet, if you size your attachments properly, it is nice to switch them from tractor to tractor. We switch front loader attachments from the Kubota to the Massey all the time thanks to the SSQA.

So, if you have SSQA on all those tractors, yes they are the same hook up.

The older loaders used pin attachments (still can buy tractors with that).
Most new tractors (compact, utility size) use SSQA attachment, JD uses their own that doesn't work with everyone else.
Larger tractors use Euro connectors.

Greetings,

So trying to learn so be patient. Most of the tractors I have used did not have quick attach buckets until recently. I was at an auction recently and there was a whole bunch of quick attachments for tractors. Most buckets and forks made by Kivel and the grapples were titan (Cheap chinese?). Buckets, forks, grapples etc. of all sizes were auctioned off. I understand I would need a third function valve to operate the grapples and a small tractor should not have a 72" bucket. Are all these attachment hook ups basically the same for all tractors? I would hate to buy something and find out that it does not fit. I have Kioti tractors (DK45 RX)at my work a Kubota LX at my dads place and a Yanmar LX590 at my father in laws.

Thanks for any help
Sean

Titan. Made In TN. Sort of. Interesting and good info here. Thanks.

So to clarify If I have SSQA on my father in laws Yanmar (LX590)with Yanmar attatchments, and he buys a new Kubota or Mahindra (60hp)with SSQA he can use all of his attachments that he already has?

So what is the difference if any from a regular skid steer attachment for a skid steer and a SSQA on a tractor and are they interchangeable? Do J-D skid steers use quick attachments or their own system?

Use Of Reversed Buckets and Forks in Excavator Operations
Foreword:
The following text is information gleaned from 10 years’ actual practical working experience and the knowledge gained as such. This information is not infallible and if doubts or concerns are seen you should consult the machine manufacturer for information – RJS-.

Background:
The use of reversed buckets has been a tool used safely by experienced operators since the Advent of hydraulic Excavators. It has been highlighted by Intellectual minds that this is unsafe due to the nature of design of the machine.

The Reality is whilst Hydraulic Forces on a conventional Backhoe arm in this configuration are far weaker than that of pulling towards the machine as in standard operation, there are no real issues with using a excavator in this manner and ultimately it has been a design feature on many excavators since the late 80’s.

Risk Of Detachment:

Direct Pin - The simple reality is the only heightened risk posed by reversed buckets in most operations is due to bucket detachment. This risk is NOT INCREASED on excavators with Direct Pin Mounted Buckets.

The Semi Q/H - or Safety Pin Hitch has mostly been disowned by most of the industry. Whilst the design of the hitch is inherently safe (A Safety Pin MUST be inserted for correct operation, which Mechanically locks the Hydraulic/Spring Loaded Jaw Shut) If Used Correctly The Pin would Prevent the Jaw being pushed into the open position by use of a reversed Bucket and therefore the risk is NOT INCREASED by use of a reversed bucket

Fully Hydraulic Q/H – These Hitches Rely on Full Hydraulic Pressure to open and close the hitch and mostly have a front locking Jaw that functions on both the full retraction of the ram And/Or Gravity/Position of the Hitch. These Hitches theoretically could be forced open by pushing the rear jaw back however it’s exceptionally unlikely this would happen as it’s unlikely the reduced forces of the arm would generate enough power to do so. And even if they did it’s doubtful the front lock (Twin Lock) would raise to allow full bucket detachment. Put short the risk is NOT INCREASED

S Type Q/H
these hitch systems are Different from the Standard Pin Grabbing Systems (See Above) In that they use a calibrated system of pins suited to the various sizes. (S30, S45, S60 Etc).
The Danger with these systems is many are not Twin lock and rely on the Hydraulic pressure and Electro Hydraulic Interlocks to prevent detachment. Theoretically force could be applied that would force the rams open and create a dangerous situation. However reality is very different and these systems are considered very safe in the country’s they are used (Scandinavia). Most S Type Hitches are on Tilt Rotator Systems which eliminate the bucket reversal argument anyway.

Other Arguments Against Reversed Buckets:
Reduced Visibility of cutting edge – Yes Visibility is reduced but no more than on a loading shovel or when the bucket is digging anyway. A Good operator should be able to use a bucket backwards Capably

Not Designed for use – Not strictly true. Consult Specific Manufacturers for more information

Machine Instability – Non Argument, A machine can be destabilised with a standard bucket if a unskilled or incapable operator is put on it

Benefits to reversed bucket use:
There are numerous arguments for the use of reversed buckets.
Some scenarios such as grading poor or waterlogged material benefit from it as the cutting edge (Wearing edge of the bucket) can be used to seal the ground without damaging the bottom of the bucket.
Pouring concrete can be made safer with there being no risk of the excavator arm contacting the lorry and placement being directed out without the Arm being over the work zone.
Extracting stone from Dumpers or Lorries is safer as the load is being pushed against a fixed reinforced headboard as opposed to being pulled towards a vulnerable tailgate.
Loading material from cut level (Particularly in bad ground) Safety and Efficiency can be increased by keeping the excavator on safe/known/solid ground and pushing material away from the machine so as to keep the operator and machine out of the mud.

Use of Forks on Excavators:
The use of Forks and other load carrying attachments (Pipe Handlers, Block Grabs, Kerb Grabs) Requires simple thought and a person capable of reading a load chart.

Attachments that hang from a chain can be utilised simply as the load centre will correspond to the chart.

Where Forks or Similar are used which extend the load centre out a competent operator should be able to interpret the chart and gain the correct SWL by looking at the Distance from slew ring, and working out the load centres position relative to the charts corresponding points.

It is worth considering the fact that Tracked 360’ Excavators are not ideal for fork operations as there machine design makes them prone to jerky movements on uneven ground. HOWEVER in certain circumstances they can be far safer than a telehandler or traditional rough terrain masted forklift as they can sometimes pick and place loads without directional movement and are often more stable on sloping or soft ground.

What can I do to ensure and improve the safety of machines on my site?
Quite simply safety begins and ends with the operator. Forget Cards, Paper and the other false indicators ask yourself:
Have I seen this operator driving Safely?
Does this operator understand how his machine functions?
Does this operator Know and Understand the risks in the task he is about to perform?
Does this operator Know and Understand the RAMS?
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WOULD I BE PREPARED TO STAND BESIDE THIS OPERATOR WHILST THEY ARE WORKING

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